教会应有的行动!成立公听会!
奉主耶稣基督圣名说话!
代一位非常关注教会同灵的同灵挂他的一些建议!愿神指引我们的脚步!
牵涉到联总(有如一位弟兄)和杨昱民传道(另一位弟兄)之间的争执案!杨传道宣称联总(这位弟兄)得罪了他;指责联总制造假证据,扭曲撒旦自有论的论文,在没有公正的审判下判定他的罪:
1. 杨传道(一位弟兄)要把这案件推到国家法庭论审,依据圣经教训是一个错误的决定!(哥林多前书6:1-11)
2. 联总(另一位弟兄)压制和力阻教会举开公听会处理这争执案导致杨传道不得不寻求国家法庭的途径,依据圣经教训是一个错误的决定!(罗马书13:1-4;马太18:15-17)
3. 教会没有出面成立公听案委员会(以第三者,不包挂联总和杨传道在内)根据凭据和主耶稣的一切吩咐毫无保留的凴公处理这件争执案,依据圣经教训是一个错误的决定!
支持以上督责的圣经经节:
耶和华说,祸哉,这悖逆的儿女。他们受命,却不由于我,起意,却不由于我的灵,以至罪上加罪(以赛亚30:1-3)
教会,祭司和示师,自己审判!(申命记17:1-13;19:15-21;马太18:15-17;哥林多前书6:1-11)
尊荣的大祭司(希伯来书2:17-18;3:1-16;4:14-16;5:1-11)
作假见证陷害人的罪(出埃及20:16;申命记19:15-21;箴言6:16-19;12:17;14:5;19:5,9;21:27-28;马太19:17-19)
绊倒人的有祸了(马太18:7)
我们都是弟兄(马太23:8)
人人顺服属世的权柄(罗马13:1-4)
我所讲的道,在末日要审判他(约翰12:47-48)
以下是向教会呈现的一些建议:
(A)向全世界所有的真耶稣教会呼吁支持成立公听会处理这件争执案
联总已经不听杨传道的投诉,再加上联总是这争执案的被控者,杨传道是这争执案的控告人,控告联总制造假证据;所以这两者都不适合当公听会的审判官!这应该是教会适时参与成立公听会委员会的时候了。
所以把这争执案交给全世界的真耶稣教会是一个合乎主耶稣教训的方法。
行动计划:
(1)建议巴黎教会负责重新寄信给全世界的真耶稣教会争取他们支持教会举开公听会审断联总(被告者)和杨传道(原告)。建议每间教会举开信徒大会征求全体信徒的支持和批准。愿意遵守主耶稣的命令遵行真理的教会,请写信给自己的总会要求成立公听会委员会,也同时通知巴黎教会负责,以方便维持信件记录。
(a)如果这行动因联总的干涉失败了,我们可以启动后备计划,征求全世界的每一位真耶稣教会信徒签名支持举开公听会。我们需要对电子操作这方面熟悉的同灵帮忙设立电子投票网站以方便各同灵注册。我们或许要动员当地教会的同工争取同灵的支持。支持者的数目会按时公布。
(2)成立公听会委员会。我们会遇到难题是,联总(被告者)都是总会负责人。我们可能先要奠定一个大家认同的程序,以便选立被圣灵充满显现出所结属灵的果子,彰显出有好名声的,被尊敬的,有恩赐的,有公义心的,原因服侍主的。或许这程序需要各为多加讨论。(参考:Wikipedia Lawsuit)
(a)只要有属灵恩赐的弟兄姐妹,各个教会可以提名。
(b)委员会成员的名字会贴在电子布告栏。有任何反对的(两个以上)可以提交。
(c)正式成立公听会。
(3)公听会的工作程序:
(a)宣布三月份会议的立案无效。
(b)恢复三月会议前所有参与者的职权和薪金。
(c)举行公听会,接受和成立正式的,原告和被告的投诉文件。我想在这方面如果可以征求到在法律界专业同灵的效劳那处理事情的果效会更好。希望委员会仔细酌量证据和凭据毫无保留根据主耶稣的命令凴公处理这件争执案,公道正义将会得胜。若是不听教会,就看他像外邦人和税吏一样。(马太18:17)
(B)依照主耶稣的命令重新建立教会体制(马太16:18;20:25-28;约翰15:1-8)
以下是我的一些个人的意见。
神让联总和杨传道争执案浮现出来,只是让我们看到教会问题冰山的一个小角而已。我们面对的真正问题,是教会中央组织取代了基督王,成为今天辖制教会的王,是比我们看到的争执更加严重百倍的问题。这问题必须要被纠正过来,中央组织这个破坏神国的属世的政治权柄。这坏的体制,一个不符合主耶稣基督命令的体制,一定要從教会里排除出去,公听委员会的责任才算完结。
这论坛已经有多人发表【打破教会组织的迷思】,重提一下几个重点。從一开始,在我们中间不可有好像外邦人一样的君王治理我们。不同形式伪装而成的君王渗透今日的世界;比如号称民主政府的君王,号称主教的君王,和教会中央组织的君王,等等!(马太20:25-28)。我们每一个信徒都只是一根枝子而已,应该依附在葡萄树上。枝子不是葡萄树,唯一的真葡萄树就是主耶稣基督,是葡萄树的【身体】和【头】。枝子如果附在主耶稣身上,主耶稣在之枝子里面,主耶稣的话语命令也在枝子里面。(约翰15:1-8)因此没有一根枝子可以自夸它比另一根枝子更优秀,因为凡不结果子的枝子,天父就剪去(主耶稣没有说现在就剪);凡结果子的,天父就把它修剪的更加整齐干净。根据主耶稣的这个道理,如果我们宣告说,当我们这些枝子集聚在一起数量非常多的时候,我们这些枝子集合成一个组织(组织的意思,可以指成立一个团体,英文简称“身体”),我们自己简称自己是身体,取代了葡萄树的身体,我们所组成的团体“身体”取代了“主耶稣的身体”,教会摇身一变,俨然成为了主耶稣的身体,我们开始向信徒宣称教会是基督的身体,离开教会就是离开基督的身体,没有附在基督身体的枝子就会枯干;这“思想概念”就是主耶稣提到的“酵”,很遗憾的这酵已经在真耶稣教会里传染开。所以主耶稣提到的“酵”不是指一个人,而是指一种偏离真理的“思想”或“概念”。我们或许可以帮助这人把这酵清涤净尽,但並非是要除掉这人。我们要防备这不好的酵(法利赛人和撒都该人的教训,或,教义;马太16:5-12)取代了基督的真理;我们所要的是好的酵(天国好像面酵,马太13:33),让神的真理命令信息在我们中间使我们全团都发了起来。
同样的,(马太16:18),一个集会如果要成为属于主耶稣的集会,这集会一定要根据这磐石建在这磐石上。他的集会是属于他(主耶稣基督)。所以不要被这世界的圈套给套住了,这世界上的教会以属世营销术向世人传销【教会】是救赎的主,赢取世人的心意,甘心乐意的宣称自己是【属于某某教会的】,並不是称自己是【属于主耶稣基督的】。在两千多年前使徒保罗尝试把这思想概念從哥林多教会清涤尽净(哥林多前书1:10-13)。你如果把【保罗】换成【真耶稣教会】,把【亚波罗】换成【天主教】,把【机发】换成【路德会】,就可以轻易看到保罗的信息也可以同样应用在今日的状况上。因此保罗的信息告诉我们,【如果我们说我们是属于真耶稣教会的】而不是说【我们是属耶稣基督的】,那我们也犯了哥林多圣徒同样的毛病;我们只能属于一位主不能同时属于两位主(马太6:24)。请记得,真耶稣教会能带领许多人包挂我的例子在内,来信主与属于耶稣基督,是一件值得骄傲赞扬的事。我只是说一个正确为主耶稣做见证的方法,是能够让人看到主耶稣基督,认识主耶稣基督,而不是看到和认识我们教会本身。外人认识我们是基督的门徒了,是因为看到教会和信徒彼此相爱的行为,而不是因为我们有过人的市场推销术!
也请参考:
神權政治與民權
代貼:「心不正,行則歪」
談教會組織及其帶來的問題 Church organizations and their problems
回应“为什么我们这样胆怯懦弱”一文,我真心的希望真耶稣教会的全体信徒不要被我们看到的【几个负责人所结的坏果】给吓怕了,变得胆怯懦弱的。相反的,我们应该感谢神把这些本来隐藏着的坏果显露给我们看。不好的【面酵】生出【坏果】;这些坏果都是【离弃真理的坏思想】的产物。愿靠神的怜悯,真耶稣教会信徒可以刚强的坚持把这些不好的酵,这些坏的思想概念,完全的從我们中间,一个属于基督的团体中除掉;要不然我们看到的这些负责人根本领受不了这救恩!相反的,这些人会继续带领更多的人,瞎子领瞎子的掉在坎里了!(马太15:13-14)
所以呼吁真耶稣教会全体信徒同心合一的,奉主耶稣基督的圣名,祈求成立一个公听委员会处理【联总和杨传道之间的争执案】。我们祈求还原真耶稣教会原本的组织体制,一个以神为中心的集会,一个以神为王被神统治的教会。我们所有的信徒彼此都只是【弟兄姐妹】,是神的仆人;没有一位弟兄姐妹是比另一个更大的。
愿神继续荣耀神的名!
In the name of Lord Jesus Christ I speak!
This is to broach a feedback, a proposal that I have received from a concern brother. May God guide our foot-steps!
There are many forums and blogs discussing and calling to end this issue. For this particular feedback, I will post it in the forum of巴黎職務會第2012-002 號 which seems quite appropriate. If you cannot find this article, you can always find it in my blog. http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/
With respect to the dispute between IA (as a brother) to Preacher YM Yang (as another brother), Preacher YM Yang had claimed that IA (as a brother) had sinned against him through falsification of evidences, perverted his theory of Origin of Satan, and convicted him without a proper trial:
1. It is wrong biblically for Preacher YM Yang (a brother) to bring the dispute to a gentile court. (1 COR 6:1-11)
2. It is wrong biblically for IA (a brother) to suppress and block a request for an open-public-hearing by the whole church for the dispute which may have caused Preacher YM to seek non biblical venue for justice. (ROM 13:1-4; MATT 18:15-17)
3. It is wrong biblically for the whole church not to attend to this dispute holding an open-hearing with a third-parties council (excluding IA and YM) who will judge both brothers through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises in according to the commandments that Lord Jesus had commanded us to obey.
Other Bible References support the above reprimand:
Woe to the rebellious children," says the Lord, "Who take counsel, but not of ME, And who devise plans, but not of MY Spirit, That they may add sin to sin (ISA 30:1-3)
Judge internally by the church, the priests and the judges! (DEUT 17:1-13; 19:15-21; MATT 18:15-17 Dealing with a sinning brother; 1 COR 6:1-11 Judge internally by the saints)
The high priest (HEB 2:17-18; 3:1-6; 4:14-16; 5:1-11)
Sin to bear false witness (EX 20:16; DEUT 19:15-21; PROV 6:16-19; 12:17; 14:5; 19:5, 9; 21:27-28; MATT 19:17-19)
Woe to that man by whom the offense (sin) comes (MATT 18:7)
We are all brothers (MATT 23:8 "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.)
Every soul be subject to the governing authorities (ROM 13:1-4)
The word that I had spoken will judge him in the last day(JOHN 12:47-48)
The followings are the suggested actions for the churches:
(A) Appeal to all TJC churches over the world for having an open-hearing for the case
To ask IA EXCO who has refused to hear YM to chair an open-public-hearing is wrong biblically (MATT 18:15-17). Plus IA EXCO (a brother) by himself is a defendant, where Preacher YM Yang, who is a plaintiff, complaints against IA EXCO for falsifying false evidence against him. Therefore neither IA EXCO nor YM is in the right capacity to be the person holding such open-public-hearing. It is time for the church to step in and to hold the public hearing for both of them.
Therefore to bring the case to the whole church is the appropriate way according to Lord Jesus’ commandments.
Plan of actions:
(1) Paris Church Council will take the responsibility and officially re-issue letters to all TJC churches around the world soliciting their support to demand an open-public hearing by the church for the case between IA (the defendant) and YM (the plaintiff). Each church should hold a general assembly meeting with all members soliciting their approval. For the church who would like to uphold the practice of truths in according to Lord Jesus’ commandments will write an official letter to their respective GA and all such correspondences should copy to Paris Church who will keep and maintaining all official counts and records.
a. If such action fails due to IA’s political influence, we may need to kick start a back-up plan. We are to solicit each individual member’s consent supporting the holding of an open-public-hearing. Someone who is knowledgeable in setting up an electronic-bulletin or ballot system that will allow each individual to register as supporter of the movement will be of great help. We may need to engage local-member who is willing to solicit such support in the local-church level. An official ballot number will be published.
(2) Setting up an official open-public hearing council (OPHC). This could be tricky as IA’s key personnel are the defendants and they are also holding office as various GA chairpersons. We may need to establish a process in selecting the public hearing council members who are filled with the Holy Spirit demonstrating by the spiritual fruits bore which had been manifested as reputable, respectable, gifted, just, desired to serve the Lord. Some discussion is needed in this area. (Reference: Wikipedia Lawsuit)
a. Each church who thinks that it may have such holy worker who had manifested with such gifts and wisdoms may propose the person to be a member of the OPHC.
b. The proposed member name shall be listed in a designated bulletin board. Any objection (two or more) shall be submitted with proper evidence.
c. Form the official OPHC.
(3) The OPHC will officially conduct the hearing process:
a. Declare the March-Meeting-Resolution void.
b. Re-instate all parties’ pre-March-Meeting positions including responsibilities and salaries.
c. Conduct the hearing by accepting and establishing the official complaint from the plaintiff and the defendants. I think it is appropriate if we can have the service of members who are professional in the field of law. Through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises abiding to the commandments of Lord Jesus Christ, justice will prevail. If anyone who refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector (MATT 18:17).
(B) Re-organize the church in according to what Lord Jesus Christ had demanded (MATT 16:18; 20:25-28; JOHN 15:1-8)
This section contains my own opinions.
The job of the OPHC is not completed by concluding the case between IA and YM because the case is only the tip of an iceberg of our church’s problem. The root-cause of the issue is that the central-organization has replacedKing-Jesus as church’s king. This key problem has to be corrected once and for all. All the worldly political power of the organization that ruined the Kingdom of God has to be thoroughly purged.
To start with, we shall not have rulers (kings) who have replacedKing-Jesus lording it over us (MATT 20:25-28). All of us are the branches which should be attached to the true-vine. The only true-vine is Lord Jesus Christ who is both the body and the head of the vine. The branch who abides in Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus abides in him and Lord Jesus’ words abide in him (JOHN 15:1-8). No one branch could claim to be superior to another branch because every branch which does not bear fruit will be taken away by the heavenly Father and the one which bears fruit HE prunes. With respect to this truth as disclosed by Lord Jesus Christ, it is wrong to declare that when all the branches gather together in great number, the branches can form an organization (which means an organization-body which belongs to Christ) to replace the body of the true-vine and proclaims that the body-formed-of-the-branches has replaced the body of Christ and therefore is Christ-body. And start to preach that whoever leaves the church is like not attaching to the body-of-the-true-vine. This concept is the yeast that has permeated throughout TJC and has to be removed. The yeast mentioned here is just a-thinking, a-concept and it is not a-person. We are to help the person to purge the yeast away and not to purge the person away. We do not want the bad yeast (the doctrines of the Pharisees and Sadducees, MATT 16:5-12) to replace the truths given by Christ and we only want the good yeast (the Kingdom of Heaven, MATT 13:33).
Likewise, (MATT 16:18), an assembly is His-Assembly only if it is being built on this rock and based on this rock. His-Assembly belongs to HIM (Lord Jesus Christ). Therefore do not fall into the prey of the worldly-scheme when each of the church will market itself as the savior and winning over your heart willingly proclaiming that you belong to such church instead of belong to Christ. Apostle Paul had tried to purge this concept away from the Corinthians Church members (1 COR 1:10-13). You will easily see what Paul had preached is applicable to today’s situation if you replace the names of Paul with TJC, Apollos with Catholics, and Cephas with Lutherans. Therefore Paul’s message has become clear that it is equally wrong by saying that you belong to TJC Church and not saying you belong to Christ; we can only belong to one master and not two (MATT 6:24). Please get this right, I am very proud of TJC’s work which has made many people like me as an example come to belong to Christ. Therefore the proper way of bearing witnesses for Lord Jesus is such that people will only see Lord Jesus and knows who Lord Jesus is rather than seeing and knowing who you are or the church is! By the deeds of the church and its members, the world will come to know that we are Christ’s disciples. Marketing propaganda does not contribute any meaningful mean for such recognition.
Please also refer to:
神權政治與民權
代貼:「心不正,行則歪」
談教會組織及其帶來的問題 Church organizations and their problems
In answering to “WHY ARE WE SO AFRAID”, I sincerely hope all the members of TJC should not be so afraid and being frightened to see some of the bad fruits bore by some of our leaders holding office. Instead, we should be thankful to God when through some mean God has helped to expose the hidden bad-fruits to us. The bad fruits are borne from the bad yeast. The bad fruits are borne by means of the bad thinking which is not biblical. By the mercy of God, all TJC members should stand firm and insist that such bad yeast, the bad thinking should be completely removed from a church which belongs to Christ lest those leaders would not be saved; And who in turn will lead many of the blinds into the ditch (MATT 15:13-14).
So let all TJC members stand together in one accord, and in the name of Lord Jesus Christ, we demand to establish an open-public-hearing-council to resolve the case between IA EXCO and Preacher YM Yang. We demand to return TJC church organization to its original structure where God is at the center of the church and God is the only King who will govern every one of us. The rest of us are just brethren to one another, the servants of God and no one is bigger than anyone else.
May God continue to glorify His Name! Amen!
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